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21 young thinkers and dreamers--many of them leaders in the Jewish community and in Jewish and Zionist organizations--attended the first Creative Zionist Circle held March 8th in a downtown New York City coffeshop, where they explored together the future of Zionism and the role and identity of the Jewish people.

The topic for discussion for the first circle was the challenges facing Zionism, the relevance of the term, and the prospects for the future. Some in attendance raised their opinions as to the datedness of the term "Zionism," feeling that it carries with it too much political baggage, and that the Jewish people would be better off finding another term, or defining another movement. Others like Alieza Salzberg--one of the organizers of the Creative Zionist Circle, disagreed. "In 50 years, when students learn about Zionism in their schools, what do you want them to associate the term with?"

After discussing in intimate groups the meaning of Zionism and the questions the Jewish people are facing in the present and will face in the future, the circle heard from Martin Ben-Moreh, director of Meitar, the College for Judaism as a Culture. "Zionism for me is continuing to strengthen the State of Israel by instilling social justice," he said, adding that the values of Judaism should be integral in any definition of Zionism. "People should as what it means to be a Jew, not only what it means to be Jewish."

By the time the meeting came to a close, those in attendance agreed that the next meeting should come soon. "I have worked for three years in the organized Jewish world," said Moran Banai, former national director of the Socialist Zionist movement, Hashomer Hatzair, "and I have more questions now than I did then."

Posted by ArielBeery at March 12, 2004 10:15 AM
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I was really struck with the emphasis on diologue and discussion as a means to comminicate Jewishly.
I also think the idea raised by Shira H. at the end about the word Zionism creating barrier to entry/ barrier to interest for Jews who don't necessarily call themselves Zionists, but have a relationship with Israel and with the "Jewish nation" is a really interesting point.
I would like to see this group move towards an inclusive term like "Jewish nationhood" and exploring the implications of that term in the US, Israel and the world. I agree with a movment towards adding social value to the world, but I think there are plenty of people in the group relatively sure they are going to spend their lives in America with visiting Israel high on the agenda, but certainly not the single defining factor of their Jewish identity. Creating alternative "Jewish space" is really important and I'm greatful this group is doing that.
I think it is a good idea to have a speaker at these meetings who can stand outside the discussion on some level, frame it for us as he/she speaks, and then we respond in groups or together to what the speaker proposed. It is true that Martin suggested a true Zionist is someone who throws in their lot with Israel, moves there lock stock and barrel and lives a life in The Land. Should we talk anout that specifically? I'm not sure. But the concept of Judaism as a civilization...maybe the next session we could do heruta over a Kapln excerpt? I really agree with a lot of that philosophy and I'm interested in what other people in the group think of that.

Posted by: Sara Shalva at March 12, 2004 10:48 AM

I really enjoyed the discussion as well. I think that Sara's take on Jewish Nationhood is important. We must start seeing the Jewish people as a whole again, not just focusing on one or another community.
But I have a problem with the desire to turn the discussion towards ideas of Judaism as a civilization. Your interest in creating an alternative "Jewish Space" outside of identifying with Israel translated for me to creating a space for American Jews to be Jewish and simply exist with a positive self identity. It is a form of collective therapy.
In doing that I think we would completely lose the magic of "movement," and specifically a movement with deep connections to the Jewish People and Jewish history and so on and so forth.
Zionism was always about a way to fix some material or spiritual problem that faced the Jewish People. In some cases,such as perhaps with Herzl, that is where it ended. In others, that was only the beginning. Once the specific material or spiritual hinderances were overcome the Jewish People could get along with accomplishing the larger goal of the Jewish People (however a particular thinker defined that goal). And this step, in these thinkers cases, was the second stage of Zionism.
A discussion of Zionism specifically and including the land of Israel is relevant because it is part of the ideas and the processes that we are still working out. And since the Jewish Vision traditionally has exceeded our own particular and included the Universal Zionism and what we make of it are important to the rest of the world as well.
This discussion must see the Jews as a whole. It must include Israel, the greatest and most difficult "Jewish People Project" (how could you realistically call it anything else) in a thousand years. It must also include those Jews who stay in the States, Europe, and so and so forth and still wish to be identified as Jews.
The ideas of Zionism that we come up with must relate to all of these and be appropriate to the problem, mission and needs that we see facing the Jews and the world for this generation. I think we have to figure those things out in our discussions.

I loved the meeting last night. It was great meeting everyone. I hope to continue these discussion here and at length.

Posted by: Aharon at March 12, 2004 01:44 PM

It was truly a pleasure meeting all of you! Our group exceeded my expectations. I was glad to find myself a part of such a diverse and motivating crowd dedicated to the well-being of Israel. We have all the ingredients for a lively and productive discussion. We only lack a recipe.

To facilitate the discussion, it would be great if we have a neutral moderator, such as Shira L. as well as someone else, who would set the agenda, guide us, and help us frame conclusions at the end.

In order to develop sound perspectives on Zionism, we can try to foster a structured discussion on the subject by temporarily breaking up along ideological lines and develop several distinct perspectives.

Many of us raised pressing and extremely interesting issues, but it seems that we didn’t focus enough on discussing Zionism specifically… and understandably so.

It is important to understand why our discussion revolved around a larger issue – that of Jewish identity.

Zionism involves the future of Israel and hence, the future of Jewish people and Judaism within the state. The latter is inseparable from the former. While we all agree on the end of Zionism, most of us disagree on the means for achieving or preserving this end.

I agree with Yoni Heilman – the term Zionism is directly linked to Israel and we should not deviate from discussing anything outside of what concerns the Jewish state. Yet, it is difficult to speak about Israel, while many of us have different perceptions of what it consists, e.g. a Jew and Judaism. The future of the two is directly linked to the future of Israel.

Individual definitions of who is a Jew and what is Judaism are crucial in framing the discussion on Zionism.

The belief in Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state is probably the narrowest definition of Zionism we can all agree on. Further consensus can only be reached in a more localized group of few individuals, who share common foundations or assumptions about the nature of Israel’s development (whether it’s secular or religious, etc.)

We can also try to divide everyone into several subgroups based on personal convictions, each identifying with a specific trend of Zionism. For example, we can have the following categories: Labor Zionism, National Zionism and Religious Zionism. Another possibility may include secular, religious, and the combination of the two. Once the participants join the group that best fits their convictions, we can begin to work on specific subjects and at the end share our views. Thus, we will be able to identify and reconcile our differences into a single theoretical model.

It would be great if we could first try to categorize various view points, as to what kind of future does Israel hold for the Jewish people. Should the approach be secular or religious? What is the purpose of a Jewish state? Is it a safe haven for Jews or is it a spiritual hub of Judaism, etc.?

Posted by: Yevgeniy at March 14, 2004 10:51 PM

Yevgeniy,
It sounds like you are afraid that if we are too diverse we will not be able to carry out a discussion. I definitely see that the future meetings should be more structured- but i think they should be structured by topic not by view point.
I am not ready to box myself into one view point and I feel blessed to have the opportunity to listen to and learn from people with different points of view. I think the sharp divisions between view points is one of the dangerous trends in Israeli politics that paralyzes people from being creative in their thinking.
We may reach new ideas by synthesizing ideas that never entered the same playiong feild but should have. And we may leave several ideas side by side. It is not necessarily our job to solve concreate problems int he near future. As Martin said if we look for one answer we will never find it. I think the pulrality of ideas will be our stregnth.
A famous author once said "Inconsistancies are the hobgoblins of a small mind" I think we need to learn to hear numerous voices at once, to exist in a state of unsureness and not to cling to the need for certainty.

Posted by: Alieza at March 15, 2004 04:20 PM

I think it is important to think of the Zionist Circle as a place of exploration regarding the term Zionism, its implications, its role in the past, today, and for the future. I am convinced that there is no one definition for Zionism and that has been proven throughout the history of Zionist thought. I don't want to limit the term but I believe that the concept of Zionism must be rooted to the notion of a Jewish people in a specific geographical entity. In my mind it is necessary to begin discussing how the term Zionism differs in theory from reality. I also believe it is essential to discuss the relationship, or lack thereof, between the term of Zionism and to the Jewish people living outside the land of Israel.

I think the more we share our thoughts and become more knowledgable about the competing views of Zionism the more we will question and have doubts and I don't think people should be afraid of that but rather be willing to embrace the unknown.

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